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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 2:41:36 GMT -5
I have permission from the owner to post this picture.The picture has not been tampered with at all except to make it smaller to hide the mans face. What can you see.?
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Post by emoking on Apr 12, 2007 5:03:09 GMT -5
smoke.
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 5:16:20 GMT -5
Is that all.?
The owner said nobody was smoking there.
I saw more.
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Post by emoking on Apr 12, 2007 5:20:51 GMT -5
Well of course he's going to say that, otherwise the picture wouldn't be of anything paranormal.
Even I'm being more sceptical than you these days cam.
To me, it looks like smoke in the room, and the flash of the camera has made it that kind of colour. Unfortunately, it looks like a thousand I've seen before, smoke, I honestly don't think its anything paranormal. But I'd like to hear what they think it is, regarding the paranormal, just out of interest.
But thats just my opinion, and I say that knowing nothing else apart from the picture in front of me.
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 5:32:19 GMT -5
More sceptical than me...steady on. Interesting that you dont see what I can.Wont say yet what I see as want to see if anyone else can. The owner (female) has no explanation for it.Wanted some input as to what could have caused it.
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Post by emoking on Apr 12, 2007 5:43:52 GMT -5
But where is it at? I can't really say much if I don't know anything. But it looks like alot of others I have seen in the past; smoke lit up by the camera flash. Please don't tell me you can see faces and what not...
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 5:48:53 GMT -5
It was taken in lanzarote in a restaurant. I saw something straight away but not a coffin. Here is a bit of background. if you turn the piccy upside down it is a lady, to me it looks like she is in a coffin. None of this was visable until we arrived home and started uploading the photo's onto disc. I have had this piccy checked out and it came back with no evidence of been tampered with, which I knew anyway cos It was my camera, and no visablelight sorce. We were no where near the kitchen, and as we were the only people in there at the time they were not cooking. The light on his head were the first thing we spotted, when we looked at the photo's when we got back. He shaves all his head with a razor, there is very slight hair growth, but there is a shadow behind him around his head. He never had a hat on and does not have a clip in his hair . Yes there will be lights in there but from what I can remember they were those old fashioned black metal lamps with nothing to reflect off. There was defenatly no water on the walls. There is black on there but that was the darkness outside, it is a window and it was night time. But even so the face is not just infront the window as you can see it is above his head and to the side of the window, if you look at it properly you can see that what ever it is is not on the wall either it is in mid air."
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Post by emoking on Apr 12, 2007 6:07:28 GMT -5
Well, after turning my laptop upside down, I still don't seen a coffin, I can see what some would call a 'face' though.
But then again, our eyes automatically look for patterns and shapes we recognise in pictures and whatever else, that we can't make much sense of.
The lights on his head, how stupid... its obviously a light reflection, you only have to look at it to see that. Either off another light, or the camera, I first thought it was the camera, which would also explain the shadow of his head on the wall.
The 'face' is upside down, which means they have had to turn it upside down to see it and then assumed it was in a coffin, that goes to show, they have gone looking for shapes and whatever else in the picture. And after seeing a 'face' they have decided its in a coffin, looks nothing like a coffin.
However, it is in mid, I agree with that, because it is quite obviously smoke or something along the lines of. And not necesserily next to his head, it could be right in front of the camera, for all we know. And its in a restaraunt.
And to be honest, I can't see anything else. Apart from a weird shape on the right, that really does look like smoke.
I don't really know what it is, but it looks like smoke to me. I don't think its anything paranormal either... but thats just my opinion.
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 8:47:57 GMT -5
You would make a brilliant sceptic. I totally agree that turning the picture upside down gives nothing. Not even the power of suggestion made me see anything, I can clearly see on the right a face.It looks like a mans face.Someone said it resembles an alien face as well. I saw it straight away without having to really look.
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Post by emoking on Apr 12, 2007 9:10:49 GMT -5
Do you think so? Yeah I did see that 'face' thing, it was the first thing I noticed, that I thought some would consider to be paranormal, but what is it? It could look like a face or an alien or whatever, but if you think about it, that doesn't make it paranormal, then there is the psychological theory about our eyes looking for patterns that we recognise. I still think its smoke and the camera flash or the lighting or whatever.
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 9:14:35 GMT -5
The face is so clearly defined I was thinking its a reflection of a real man maybe.?
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Post by emoking on Apr 12, 2007 9:16:14 GMT -5
Ok, where are we looking here? You mean the big thing? I can't see a face that actually looks real enough to be anything paranormal, nevermind a reflection...
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 9:21:38 GMT -5
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Post by emoking on Apr 12, 2007 9:26:04 GMT -5
What the helll... I honestly can't see a face, I can see a big thing of smoke that could be a face to some people.... but nothing spectacular... are you going crazy? I think it just goes to show that if you want to beleive something is there then you can, and do!
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 9:31:27 GMT -5
I must be going crazy. I agree that if you want to see something you will but I never do want to..neither do I ..normally. This one just hit me. I am in no way saying its paranormal of course but its very interesting.
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Post by emoking on Apr 12, 2007 9:34:54 GMT -5
omg what have they done to you cam? seriously.
Its quite interesting... but I still don't see any faces and I want to now! And I still can't see a face, or an alien one for that matter...
It hit you? That wasn't very nice, hit it one back then!
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 9:54:14 GMT -5
Nobody has done anything.I just can see a very clear defined face. I cant beleive it myself but its there. Is so funny that a sceptic can see it and a believer cant. Lol...
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Post by emoking on Apr 12, 2007 10:00:51 GMT -5
Your no sceptic anymore cam, thats why. Unless I'm missing something, I can't see a face that is so impressive to you. Is it that big thing on the right?
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2007 14:46:21 GMT -5
Lol..I am still a good little sceptic. I can see a face..clearly but that does not mean its paranormal.
Yes,its the big thing.
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Post by emoking on Apr 13, 2007 9:13:10 GMT -5
Well yeah, I can make out a face but its nothing amazing that looks exactly like a man or whatever...
I think the fact they went on about the mans shadow and the lights on his bald head did it for me... that would have been on the picture, whether there was 'smoke' or not tbh... thats normal stuff.
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Post by cam on Apr 13, 2007 9:17:56 GMT -5
I can clearly see its a man. I do agree with you though.
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Post by emoking on Apr 13, 2007 9:20:17 GMT -5
How is it clearly a man? I can only just make out a wierd face, never mind anything else.
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Post by cam on Apr 13, 2007 9:29:18 GMT -5
It just is. A bit of a skeletal face but I can see its a man.
Thats why I thought it might be a reflection.
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Post by emoking on Apr 13, 2007 9:55:15 GMT -5
Still can't see it, but nevermind. It's definately not a reflection though, whats it reflecting off? Onto where? and how? It looks exactly like smoke to me, and just a weird picture made by the smoke in the air... seen it all before.
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Post by cam on Apr 13, 2007 13:51:06 GMT -5
You really believe its pareidolia.?
If it was not so defined I would have said it was.
If it is then its the best case I have ever seen.
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Post by emoking on Apr 13, 2007 14:44:37 GMT -5
Right, if its that bloody amazing then I obviously haven't seen it. I must be looking at the wrong thing or in the wrong place, cos if its that impressive I want to see!
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Post by cam on Apr 13, 2007 14:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by emoking on Apr 13, 2007 14:50:59 GMT -5
Well, I'd probably be seeing the same if I knew what or where I was supposed to be looking. I just think someone has brainwashed you, and you call yourself a sceptic?
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Post by cam on Apr 13, 2007 15:38:19 GMT -5
If you did not see it straight away then you probably never will. I cant help it if It jumped out at me.
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Post by emoking on Apr 13, 2007 15:40:10 GMT -5
Yeah but telling me where it is, would also be a good start... *shakes head at cam* I'm starting to give up...
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